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Jul 2, 2020 19:49:00 GMT -6
Post by Keith(Brewers GM) on Jul 2, 2020 19:49:00 GMT -6
Yahoo released this today. sports.yahoo.com/faq-update-on-how-yahoo-fantasy-baseball-will-handle-ml-bs-shortened-2020-season-224639621.htmlIs anyone opposed to a 7 week season with 2 weeks of playoffs? The 4 division winners would make the playoffs. If opposed to this please post why or an alternate suggestion. Also, next year's draft order. I'm thinking if we play out this mini-season and MLB is able to complete it we would have the order based on finish the same as we do every year. If we are unable to complete the season we would go with a weighted lottery based on the previous finishes over the past 3 years. Thoughts, Suggestions, Comments?
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Jul 2, 2020 19:59:48 GMT -6
Post by Nate(White Sox GM) on Jul 2, 2020 19:59:48 GMT -6
I support the 7-week season and 2-week playoff, but I would vote for eliminating divisions just for this year and going with the four top teams based on record and traditional tiebreakers.
I support the weighted lottery if the season can't be completed.
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Jul 2, 2020 20:28:36 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 20:28:36 GMT -6
Im good with the 7 week season and with using the the results for the draft if completed.
The 3 year weighted seems like a bit much. A team can make a lot of progress or back sliding in 3 years. What about just using the combined results of last year and whatever does get played this year if the season doesn’t complete? Would be a closer picture of where teams are at the moment.
If I’m the only one thinking this or if it’s just felt the 3 years is a better system, I’m good with it. It’s a messed up year and there really is no correct answer.
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Jul 2, 2020 21:42:31 GMT -6
Post by Nate(White Sox GM) on Jul 2, 2020 21:42:31 GMT -6
Im good with the 7 week season and with using the the results for the draft if completed. The 3 year weighted seems like a bit much. A team can make a lot of progress or back sliding in 3 years. What about just using the combined results of last year and whatever does get played this year if the season doesn’t complete? Would be a closer picture of where teams are at the moment. If I’m the only one thinking this or if it’s just felt the 3 years is a better system, I’m good with it. It’s a messed up year and there really is no correct answer. It is a messed up year. Regarding the weighted three-year average, this is what the NHL used after the lockout back in 2005 to determine draft order. The idea of using three years is that it's a long enough period of time to account for more than just a random breakout or bad year.
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Post by Joe(Diamondbacks GM) on Jul 3, 2020 8:42:09 GMT -6
I support the 7-week season and 2-week playoff, but I would vote for eliminating divisions just for this year and going with the four top teams based on record and traditional tiebreakers. I support the weighted lottery if the season can't be completed. Agree with this proposal.
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Jul 3, 2020 10:33:38 GMT -6
Post by Dan(Blue Jays GM) on Jul 3, 2020 10:33:38 GMT -6
I'm on the fence.
With this being a dynasty league i dont think its right that we burn a year of contract for whats 1/3 of a fantasy season. Most minors will lose reps this summer yet we will burn a year of contract on them.
Small injuries will take players out for the entire season, and i would assume alot of injuries and sickness this season. DL slots are going to fill in no time, teams will go broke just trying to roster a full team and will be forced to drop players to make roster room for active players.
Plus, how many starts will SP's get? (I understand we will all be in the same boat with this issue)
If mid way through the season gets cancelled do we just freeze the rosters, crown a champ, and burn a year off every players contract because they played for a month? Would you be happy to lose a FA after only playing 30 games for your team? Again, this is dynasty baseball fellas.
Some ideas i have to throw out there are. -increase amount of DL slots and amount of minor league options.
-Allow FA bids for players under 150 ab's But make them 1 year UFA contracts. This would allow a larger pool of active players on the roster this season without long term implications.
-Freeze rosters and play the season as a tournament by not allowing adds/drops. Place standings from last season into 4 tiers and do a lottery for each tier OR Place teams into tiers from last season standings and reorder the draft position within the tiers based on where they finish this season. 2-4 round draft
*Fellas I know we are all hungry for fantasy baseball, but in my eyes this is a tournament, not a season, and I'd hate for a tournament to have dynasty implications. Also, i could be off-base with some of my concerns and be overlooking the obvious on somethings, but ive always held dynasty to a higher standard than regular fantasy and would prefer to holdout until a fully guaranteed season is started.
Either way, I'm SUPER excited for baseball to be back!
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Jul 3, 2020 11:26:59 GMT -6
Post by Joe(Diamondbacks GM) on Jul 3, 2020 11:26:59 GMT -6
Interesting proposals Dan, and I agree in a lot of them
1) Add maybe 2-3 more minor league options 2) Regarding the minor leaguers, maybe designate let´s say 10 guys that their contract will freeze and roll over into next season or the players that are not included in the 60 man pool will have their contract freeze.
Just a few ideas.
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Jul 3, 2020 19:26:08 GMT -6
Post by Keith(Brewers GM) on Jul 3, 2020 19:26:08 GMT -6
As far as losing a whole year of a player, we could always just not take off a year of their contracts if we play this season out. I wasn't planning on doing that anyway if there was no season which still might be the case. Downside would be that it makes next offseason quite boring.
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Jul 4, 2020 21:58:50 GMT -6
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Post by Derrick(Mets GM) on Jul 4, 2020 21:58:50 GMT -6
I would be for possibly designating guys for not losing a year but not for signing guys under the limits I think it would deflate the possible draft class even more than it already is.
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Jul 4, 2020 21:59:43 GMT -6
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Post by Derrick(Mets GM) on Jul 4, 2020 21:59:43 GMT -6
I would also propose that if a player opts out of the year his contract is frozen and would not lose a year.
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Post by Derrick(Mets GM) on Jul 4, 2020 22:11:33 GMT -6
Also, I know everyone is looking forward to the start of the season, but honestly have we thought of just scraping this year all together and just holding a draft lotto and holding a draft for the players that have been drafted? Considering everything going down it may be a valid option.
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Jul 5, 2020 12:51:29 GMT -6
Post by Nate(White Sox GM) on Jul 5, 2020 12:51:29 GMT -6
There are some good points and ideas made here.
I think Dan's right in that this "season" should be treated more as a "tournament" than a regular year.
Whether contracts toll or not isn't a big deal to me. We should be able to adjust one way or the other. I'd be fine freezing contracts for this season and having boring offseason. Although, if this is the route we choose to go, I'd be in favor of adding four temporary minor league spots for the 2021 draft, as to not force teams into a roster pinch in order to sign next year's draft class.
Dan's idea of opening signings for the "tournament" so any available player can be signed to a one-year deal makes sense, as long as they can't be tagged next year.
If we can finish the "tournament" season, we should base the 2021 draft order on that. Otherwise, a weighted lottery makes the most sense, as we shouldn't reward certain teams twice for being bad in one particular season.
If MLB is going to have a season, I think we should too. I say this as a Mike Trout owner after he said he isn't sure whether he'll actually play this year.
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Jul 6, 2020 21:01:24 GMT -6
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Post by Rob(Mariners GM) on Jul 6, 2020 21:01:24 GMT -6
I like the idea of years not coming off of contracts and also agree about the idea of extending minor league contract options out to two to three years given the fact that these guys will probably have a lost season. Either way, I’m looking forward to this 60 game tournament.
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Jul 7, 2020 15:49:03 GMT -6
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Post by Mike(Yankees GM) on Jul 7, 2020 15:49:03 GMT -6
I’m game for whatever. But I don’t think we need to add on years to minor leaguers. They may have lost a year in real life but they’re not losing one here if that’s what we’re going with.
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Jul 8, 2020 7:09:57 GMT -6
Post by Marty(Astros GM) on Jul 8, 2020 7:09:57 GMT -6
Two things come to mind: 1) "having to field a full team" rule may cause issues if a bunch of players get the 'VID adding to the already tough to manage problem of filling your team. 2) if we freeze all contracts, what do we do in the draft next year if we have full rosters still because no contracts expire? No slots to draft anyone??
There have been some great ideas proposed and i'm sure we will come to a resolution how to handle this year. I am ok with Keith's original ideas.
Marty
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Jul 12, 2020 11:15:39 GMT -6
Post by Mark(Marlins GM) on Jul 12, 2020 11:15:39 GMT -6
Unless the season gets cancelled, I think we should treat the contracts regularly. Im good with extending the prospects for a year, but all the regular players should count. And also what about cut players? Would they extend another year too? I would hate having Taillon again.
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Jul 13, 2020 10:08:05 GMT -6
Post by Keith(Brewers GM) on Jul 13, 2020 10:08:05 GMT -6
Unless the season gets cancelled, I think we should treat the contracts regularly. Im good with extending the prospects for a year, but all the regular players should count. And also what about cut players? Would they extend another year too? I would hate having Taillon again. No, the dead money will not extend another year so the big cap hit for your Taillon cut will be gone for the 2021 season. If we treat the contracts regularly I feel like the teams who traded for a high $ player, or signed a big name FA kind of get screwed. That and losing another year on minor leaguers/younger players isn't ideal for such a short season that may or may not get completed. Anyone else think contracts should toll this season? Definitely uncharted water here so can definitely see both sides of it. I'm not sure what the ideal way to approach this season is. Just threw out what I think works best. Any opinions welcome.
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Jul 13, 2020 12:51:56 GMT -6
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Post by Derrick(Mets GM) on Jul 13, 2020 12:51:56 GMT -6
I don’t think contracts should be used be counted this season. A) guys like Posey and Leake are on one year deals and someone who signed or traded for either player would be screwed since they are sitting out the season. I think freezing contracts and extending rosters for the upcoming off season is a good balance. In all honesty we have to prepare as if the season WILL NOT be completed to be prepared for it.
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Jul 13, 2020 19:05:11 GMT -6
Post by Mark(Marlins GM) on Jul 13, 2020 19:05:11 GMT -6
My thinking is just we all suffer the same fate. In the real world, the contracts are not extended so why should fantasy extend? We can do something like opt out players get more cap space next year? And the way the MLS season is going, I would bet against the mlb season finishing right now. So this could all be a pointless debate.
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Jul 13, 2020 21:02:15 GMT -6
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Post by Derrick(Mets GM) on Jul 13, 2020 21:02:15 GMT -6
That is my point we have to prepare as if the season will not be played. But I don’t think a quarter year should be considered a full year of service. This is not a season like many have said it’s a tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 23:53:08 GMT -6
I don’t see the guys opting out as any different than signing a big FA and then having them get a season ending injury in spring training. It’s happened to all of us at one time or another. If we don’t crown a champion, then pause contracts. But if the season plays out, I think a champion is a champion and the contracts should roll.
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Post by Derrick(Mets GM) on Jul 14, 2020 14:44:07 GMT -6
Opting out is not an injury, sorry it just isn’t. One is out of the players control one isn’t.
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Post by Nate(White Sox GM) on Jul 14, 2020 15:32:23 GMT -6
I agree with Keith and Derrick on much of this.
The "season" shouldn't be treated as a normal year and just a fun tournament that may or may not be completed. It also shouldn't have a major impact on the league and the easiest way to accomplish this is to leave the contracts as they are.
Keith is doing teams a solid be allowing them to take their dead money cap hits this year and not rolling them over in 2021, which seems like a great deal, particularly for anyone who inherited a team and has been remaking it.
Beyond that, he's giving us four roster spots to use on next year's draft class before reverting back to normal. That's also fair.
If we have to sacrifice one offseason to get the league back on track, I think that's pretty reasonable all things considered.
I'm pretty excited about this crazy MLB season even if they don't actually finish it!
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Jul 14, 2020 21:06:51 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 21:06:51 GMT -6
Opting out is not an injury, sorry it just isn’t. One is out of the players control one isn’t. It seems exactly the same. Either way, you get no stats from a big investment Bc of something completely out of your control. The risk you take when you sign someone to a big contract. I’ll happily go along with whatever the league decides, but yes, opt out and season ending injury, for our purposes, is exactly the same thing.
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Jul 15, 2020 8:09:21 GMT -6
Post by Dan(Blue Jays GM) on Jul 15, 2020 8:09:21 GMT -6
Opting out is not an injury, sorry it just isn’t. One is out of the players control one isn’t. It seems exactly the same. Either way, you get no stats from a big investment Bc of something completely out of your control. The risk you take when you sign someone to a big contract. I’ll happily go along with whatever the league decides, but yes, opt out and season ending injury, for our purposes, is exactly the same thing. Can a teammate spread injuries around to other teammates forcing them to miss time? Are you going to say its the same thing when we're a month in and half of an entire mlb team goes down to The Rona? Gotta think big picture here. BTW, you do realize our season will only be 6 weeks long, right? Thats a fraction of a season, and on the point of crowning a champ, who cares lol. Any 2020 fantasy win in ANY fantasy sport will have an astrix next to it
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Jul 15, 2020 14:19:40 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 14:19:40 GMT -6
It seems exactly the same. Either way, you get no stats from a big investment Bc of something completely out of your control. The risk you take when you sign someone to a big contract. I’ll happily go along with whatever the league decides, but yes, opt out and season ending injury, for our purposes, is exactly the same thing. Can a teammate spread injuries around to other teammates forcing them to miss time? Are you going to say its the same thing when we're a month in and half of an entire mlb team goes down to The Rona? Gotta think big picture here. BTW, you do realize our season will only be 6 weeks long, right? Thats a fraction of a season, and on the point of crowning a champ, who cares lol. Any 2020 fantasy win in ANY fantasy sport will have an astrix next to it Sooo... Are you saying that going on the IL after a positive Corona test is different than going on the IL with a pulled hamstring? You completely lost me there, literally makes zero sense. "Can a teammate spread injuries around to other teammates?" What does that have to do with anything? They still aren't playing or accumulating stats either way. If you draft Mike Trout for $50 and he decides to sit the year out for "personal reasons" do you get a mulligan on that contract? Who had Felipe Vazquez last year when he was arrested? Did they get a mulligan on that contract? When a player misses a year, whether it be for injury, illness, personal reasons, sitting out due to pandemic or what ever other reason, you will still get no return on that investment. The fact that multiple players are doing it doesn't change that. So other than the fact that you want your players for an extra year, how does this not make sense?
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Jul 15, 2020 15:52:26 GMT -6
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Post by Derrick(Mets GM) on Jul 15, 2020 15:52:26 GMT -6
So normal rules for a non normal year? It honestly doesn’t make sense to have contracts to thru in a non normal year. Yes numbers wise there is no difference between injury and opting out. But a player is not choosing to be injured, i think we can all admit it is not a normal fantasy season, and like everyone else sacrifices must be made due to special circumstances.
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Jul 15, 2020 16:24:34 GMT -6
Post by Dan(Blue Jays GM) on Jul 15, 2020 16:24:34 GMT -6
Can a teammate spread injuries around to other teammates forcing them to miss time? Are you going to say its the same thing when we're a month in and half of an entire mlb team goes down to The Rona? Gotta think big picture here. BTW, you do realize our season will only be 6 weeks long, right? Thats a fraction of a season, and on the point of crowning a champ, who cares lol. Any 2020 fantasy win in ANY fantasy sport will have an astrix next to it Sooo... Are you saying that going on the IL after a positive Corona test is different than going on the IL with a pulled hamstring? You completely lost me there, literally makes zero sense. "Can a teammate spread injuries around to other teammates?" What does that have to do with anything? They still aren't playing or accumulating stats either way. If you draft Mike Trout for $50 and he decides to sit the year out for "personal reasons" do you get a mulligan on that contract? Who had Felipe Vazquez last year when he was arrested? Did they get a mulligan on that contract? When a player misses a year, whether it be for injury, illness, personal reasons, sitting out due to pandemic or what ever other reason, you will still get no return on that investment. The fact that multiple players are doing it doesn't change that. So other than the fact that you want your players for an extra year, how does this not make sense? LOL, I cant reply to this without being and/or sounding like a dick.
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Jul 15, 2020 16:28:09 GMT -6
Post by Mark(Marlins GM) on Jul 15, 2020 16:28:09 GMT -6
I don’t think there are any right or wrong answers here. It seems like most people want to freeze the contracts for this year. I just find it odd because its not what mlb is doing. Guaranteed contracts count and don’t get extended. I’m just ready to finally watch some baseball. With that said, if I release a player on a 1 year deal would that carry over to next year?
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Jul 15, 2020 18:13:20 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 18:13:20 GMT -6
Dan: That's fine, we will never see it from the others point of view no matter how much back and forth we go through. For the life of me, I can't understand your point of view, and nothing I can say will magically make you see it from mine either. So best to just let it drop and move on.
Mark: Exactly my point as well and you are correct, I don't think there are any right or wrong answers. But moving on from that, I am also ready to just get this season started. Hopefully we can complete it. If we don't crown a champion, this whole discussion is moot anyways.
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